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THE MARKETING AND EXPLOITATION OF THE CROSS: COMMERCIALIZING CHRISTIANITY

THE MARKETING AND EXPLOITATION OF THE CROSS: COMMERCIALIZING CHRISTIANITY.

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HERETICAL MYLES MUNROE

Myles Munroe Myles Munroe teaches that God needs our permission to work on earth.  He also teaches that angels need our permission as well to do their jobs.For example, he teaches that God sought Abraham for permission to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.  In their make believe interaction according to Myles Munroe, God told Abraham, “You got it!  You’re the man!  Once you’re satisfied and give me permission I will act.This is absurd to think that an Almighty and Sovereign God needs our permission to act in His universe!  Think about it my friend, is this not the height of arrogance?  What does the bible have to say about the sovereign plan of God and the vain efforts of man that try to subvert it?And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?” Daniel 4:35, see also Isaiah 43:3, Psalm 115:3, 135:6.  Whom will you believe, God or Myles Munroe? Benny Hinn made the following endorsements after these incredibly blasphemous statements by Myles Munroe: “Man!  That is absolutely awesome!  Dear God!That’s incredible!  That’s incredible!  Wow!Wow!  Wow!  Wow!This is so amazing!Are you getting blessed like I am, dear Jesus. Myles Munroe: That’s why angel’s need our permission to function.  It says they are here to do our biddingThey can’t even act without our permission, you see.  But, here’s the bigger statement: Even God Himself is illegal on earth.  Why?  Because, He is a spirit and the law He set up by His own mouth was that only spirits with bodies can function on earth legally.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) “Why can’t God take care of Pharaoh by Himself?  Why can’t God invade that government and disrupt that process and set them free by Himself?  He is illegal.  So God then has to get the attention of a human first.  Then spend hours, maybe even days trying to convince this one human to work with Him.  Moses came up with every single excuse he could find and gave them.  And Almighty God tolerated him, saying, ‘Look, if you can’t talk, I will speak for you.  If you got problems, I’ll solve them for you.  If you’re afraid, I’ll give you courage.  In other words, whatever you need, please work with meCause I want to do something.  Give me your body.'”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) So, even though God can do anything, He can only do what you permit Him to do.  If you study the Word of God, you will see why it makes so much sense.  For example, God has done nothing on earth without a human co-operating with Him.  He had to find a human.  When God for example wanted to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah…Go ahead and destroy it!  No!  He [God] was illegal.  He had to find a human to give Him access and ageement to release His powerSo, then God had to negotiate with a man in Abraham.  They argued for a long time!…Abraham figured it out.  Abraham said, ‘Ahh, Haa!  Okay, so I’ll tell you what!  Before I give you permission [Abraham gives God permission!] to touch that city, if I could find 50 men, 40, 30, 10.’  He said, ‘I’m dealing, and God had to deal with a man.’  And he said, ‘If I could only find one.’ God says, ‘You got it!  You’re the man!  Once you’re satisfied and give me permission I will act.(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) “When you study Moses or any human that has been successful with God, you will find this dependency God has on humanity. God says, ‘Moses, quickly agree with me.  Because your brother, your nephew is on the way.  We got to get this work doneI need a human to agree.’  As soon as Moses agrees with God, God says, ‘Okay, let’s Go.‘”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “Let me define prayer for you in this show. Prayer is man giving God permission or license to interfere in earth’s affairsIn other words, prayer is earthly license for heavenly interference.(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) Heaven depends on earth for interference.  If He [God] could just find two people like you [Benny Hinn] and I to agree.  We agree for God to do this thing.  Then God says, ‘Thank you very much for permission!‘  Then He [God] can come.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “Our prayer is a strange experience.  We normally ask God to do things, God is telling us to command Him permission to do it for us.(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) God could do nothing on earth, nothing has God ever done on earth without a human giving Him access.(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) He [God] could not name those animals because He [God] is illegal.(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “O’ Lord, heal this man.  God says, ‘No! No! No!  Talk to the sickness, I am already healing the guy.  What I need is permission to get the healing on earth.‘”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) Myles Munroe:  “Jesus was necessary for Christ.Benny Hinn:  “Wait!  Wait!  Wait!  Wait!  Pastor, slow down.  What you mean is.”Myles Munroe: “Jesus made Christ legal on the earth.  Jesus was the body.Benny Hinn:  “Has he always been this deep here?  It’s amazing what he’s saying.  So, So, repeat that.”Myles Munroe:  “Christ is God’s Spirit, that’s why Christ needed a body to come to earth legally.(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) Every sick person is already healed.  That’s why you don’t really have to lay hands on a million of people in India to heal them.  You don’t have to, they are already healed.  What God’s problem is, is getting the healing to earth.(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) When a human gets healed and becomes well again, God Himself is able to stay here legally longer.(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “Every spirit is trying to find a body.  Can I give you another shocker?  [Benny Hinn: You bet!]  Even the Holy Spirit, because He cannot function here without a body.  That’s why your called the body of Christ.  And it says our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit.  Cause He Himself needs to be legal to function.(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) In other words, Moses had to initiate the action for God to produce the product.(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “God says, ‘If my people,’ now if means, ‘I would like to fix this, but I can’t fix this without a human giving me permission.‘”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) Interfering in earth by God is totally up to usHeaven is waiting on earth to get things done.”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) “What is faith?  Faith is believing in what you said, that God told you.  In other words, the fight is to keep believing after you said something.(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) “That’s why your [Benny Hinn] healing ministry is necessary.  God could heal people by Himself as a spirit with powerBut it’s illegal to do it on earth.  So, He needs a human agency.  What does laying your hands on a human to do with healing?  Well, really nothing.  We touch you you all the time but your sick.  What He’s looking for is permissionThe power to heal is always present, but having permission to heal is held up by humanity and their lack of faith.(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) “God made a promise to Satan, I paraphrase again, I believe God said it this way in my spirit.  He said, ‘Satan, you know I can’t come in right now because I’m a spiritAnd if I came in now as a spirit I would violate my Word, break my Word, and I would never be able to be trusted again with my Word.  But, I’ll make a promise, and the promise is: the same woman that you used to destroy my program on earth for humanity.  I’m going to use the same woman and I’m going to put my seed in her womb and she’ll build around me a physical dirt body.  And I will become legal in the earth.  And then legal, I will then come in legally and crush your authority legally.(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) Satan himself knew that in order for him to fuction on this earth that he needed a body alsoThat’s why he had to go to the serpent which had a dirt body and negotiated with the serpent to borrow his body for awhile.  And he did, and that’s why God cursed the serpent cause the serpent literally loaned his body to the Adversary, who’s a spirit, in order to do buisness legally with Eve.(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) “It bothered me, I’m sure it bothered you [Benny Hinn] for years as a pastor.  If God is so mighty, powerful, awesome, omnipotent, omniscient, why couldn’t this mighty God who made 500 million planets and galaxies couldn’t stop a skinny little woman from picking the fruit and destroying His whole program?  I mean, God aren’t you powerful?  You could intervene, you can destroy the works of the devil, prevent the woman and save humanity.  But He couldn’t!  Not that He didn’t, He couldn’t!…”(Myles Munroe, “This Is Your Day,” Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004)
 

THE ELEPHANT IN THE STRANGE FIRE

by Cameron Buettel

It’s been just over a year since the highly publicized and controversial Strange Fire conference.

As a Grace to You employee with a charismatic background, I watched the buildup to the conference with a considerable amount of interest. I am certainly no stranger to the grievous damage caused by reckless false prophecies in the charismatic church. But since none of that spiritual fallout ever touched me personally, my animosity for the movement did not run deep. In fact, the major gripe I had with my old mainstream Pentecostal church was the same gripe I have with the church growth and emergent movements—a failure to rightly preach the gospel.

But as Strange Fire approached, I had the opportunity to study the charismatic movement with much closer scrutiny than before. In particular, I investigated several influential charismatic leaders, consuming an unhealthy amount of their videos and writing.

That investigation revealed a clear pattern that charismatics follow when engaged in debate. It’s almost a codified playbook of sorts for their self-defense (call it Foxe’s Book of Charismatics With Hurt Feelings), and it goes like this:

  • Dogged insistence that the gifts of prophesy, tongues, and healing continue to the present day.
  • Vague anecdotal evidence in support of the continuation of those gifts.
  • Unshakable confidence that the worst charismatic abusers and charlatans represent only the renegade fringe of the movement, and that they wield limited influence among mainstream charismatics.
  • Staunch refusal to name, criticize, or publically disavow those abusers and offenders at the supposed fringe of the movement.
  • Dire warnings that rejecting anyone who claims to speak on behalf of the Holy Spirit or wield His power is tantamount to rejecting the Spirit Himself.
  • Total disinterest in discussing or debating any doctrinal or ecclesiological issues other than continuationism versus cessationism.
  • Confident assertions about the explosive growth of the charismatic church worldwide, and blithe acceptance that everyone who claims to be a charismatic is an authentic believer.

For many charismatic apologists, their self-defense doesn’t even extend that far. For them, the debate begins and ends with continuationism, so that’s all they ever want to talk about. In fact, most of the responses to Strange Fire have amounted to little more than reviving certain authors’ greatest hits in defense of the continuation of the apostolic gifts.

What’s important about that is this: Strange Fire was not primarily or even significantly about cessationism. Yes, it’s true that one of the keynote sessions made a biblical case for the cessation of the apostolic gifts, while others defended cessationism as the historical position of the church. But it still constituted only one part of a broad response to the charismatic movement as a whole.

In fact, if continuationism was the only issue in the charismatic movement that John MacArthur and the other Strange Fire speakers were concerned about, there likely never would have been a conference or a book to begin with.

Instead, Strange Fire addressed the rampant abuse of the Holy Spirit, the perversion of Scripture, and the danger charismatic teaching and practice represent to hundreds of millions of people around the world. It covered an array of theological and doctrinal issues, and it raised several important questions that charismatics need to address.

And yet a year later, the responses to the conference continue to focus on defending the continuation of the gifts. It makes you wonder whether charismatic leaders are defiant or merely deaf.

So in the interest of advancing the conversation beyond the endless defense of continuationism, let us table that part of the discussion. If it helps, imagine that we’ve conceded that point of debate. (We haven’t, but that’s beside the point at the moment.) There still remains a whole raft of questions and issues that need to be addressed. Questions like:

  • Is there any statistical evidence that proves the so-called “lunatic fringe” of the charismatic world is not actually the mainstream of the movement? Compelling statistics were produced at Strange Fire that indicated the prevalence of prosperity theology in mainstream charismatic churches. Can those numbers be contradicted, or is it time to reconsider who is truly on the fringe?
  • What is the responsibility of charismatic leaders to police their own movement beyond the walls of their individual churches? Who will be willing unequivocally to call out heretics and charlatans? And why are so many charismatics comfortable with false teachers serving as the face of their movement?
  • What constitutes the true, biblical gospel? And what deviations from it qualify as apostasy and heresy? In particular, how do you make sense of the rise of charismatic expressions in the Catholic Church? Is it possible to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit while continuing to reject the biblical gospel?
  • Is Oneness Pentecostalism heresy? Or is perverting the doctrine of the Trinity not really such a big deal after all?
  • How are manufactured experiences—like seeding air conditioning vents with gold flakes and promoting man-made prophecies—helpful or encouraging for true spiritual growth? Why should the proliferation of phonies give anyone confidence that the real thing even exists?
  • Is the prosperity gospel biblical? If not, doesn’t it fall under the curse of Galatians 1:8–9?
  • When it comes to Scripture’s instructions and prohibitions for life in the church—for example, Paul’s clear teaching about female pastors, or his admonition for only one person at a time to speak in tongues—how seriously do we need to take those things today? Again, are these matters worth dividing over?
  • Does the gift of tongues as practiced in charismatic churches today bear any resemblance to the supernatural events on the Day of Pentecost, or any other expression of the gift of tongues found in the book of Acts? If not, why is the dramatic difference acceptable for continuationists?
  • If today’s prophets are not held to the biblical standard of one-hundred percent accuracy, what standard is there for people who make false prophecies? Or is modern prophecy nothing more than a crapshoot?
  • Finally, in the immediate aftermath of Strange Fire, Phil Johnson made an appearance on Dr. Michael Brown’s radio program. Phil issued Brown a challenge—which Brown accepted—to produce any audio of Mike Bickle or someone of similar influence in the charismatic movement making a clear presentation of the gospel. We’re still waiting for that audio.

We want to see someone—anyone—from the charismatic side take up those important issues. Until then, the persistent debate over cessationism and continuationism feels like little more than a deliberate diversion.

If the charismatic movement were truly as vibrant and Spirit-filled as charismatic apologists claim, John MacArthur would never have needed to host the Strange Fire conference or write the book. The issues he and the other speakers raised at Strange Fire should have been dealt with decades ago by charismatics who were faithful to the biblical gospel and recognized the need to address the many perversions that were gaining traction.

Our preference still is for those faithful believers within the movement—who hold fast to Scripture and love the truth—to step up and clean house. Consider these our suggestions about where they might want to start.


 

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Driscoll Goes Word of Faith?

Driscoll Goes Word of Faith?.

 

APOSTATE STEVEN FURTICK: "IT IS ‘DANGEROUS’ TO ELEVATE GOD’S SOVEREIGNTY AT THE EXPENSE OF HUMAN INITIATIVE"!!!!!

As at least one person noted on Twitter, Pelagius would be proud:

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Oh yes, perish the thought of elevating the sovereignty of the Creator, the Savior, the Redeemer, the righteous and thrice-holy God of the universe. Never mind the fact that all things sit in subjection to Him (Eph. 1:21–22). Who are you, oh Steven Furtick, to speak back to God (Rom. 9:20–24)?

No doctrine is more despised by the natural mind than the truth that God is absolutely sovereign. Human pride loathes the suggestion that God orders everything, controls everything, rules over everything. T he carnal mind, burning with enmity against God, abhors the biblical teaching that nothing comes to pass except according to His eternal decrees. Most of all, the flesh hates the notion that salvation is entirely God’s work. If God chose who would be saved, and if His choice was settled before the foundation of the world, then believers deserve no credit for their salvation. 

But that is, after all, precisely what Scripture teaches. Even faith is God’s gracious gift to His elect. Jesus said, “No one can come to Me, unless it has been granted him from the Father” (John 6:65). “Nor does anyone know the Father, except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” (Matt. 11:27). Therefore no one who is saved has anything to boast about (cf Eph. 2:89). “Salvation is from the Lord” (Jonah 2:9). . . . 

Moreover, everything that exists in the universe exists because God allowed it, decreed it, and called it into existence. “Our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases” (Ps. 115:3). “Whatever the Lord pleases, He does, in heaven and in earth, in the seas and in all deeps” (Ps. 135:6). He “works all things after the counsel of His will” (Eph. 1:11). “From Him and through Him and to Him are all things” (Rom. 11:36). “For us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him” (1 Cor. 8:6). . . . 

Paul anticipated the argument against divine sovereignty: “You will say to me then, ‘Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?’” (v. 19). In other words, doesn’t God’s sovereignty cancel out human responsibility? But rather than offering a philosophical answer or a deep metaphysical argument, Paul simply reprimanded the skeptic: “On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, ‘Why did you make me like this,’ will it? Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use, and another for common use?” (vv. 20, 21). 

Scripture affirms both divine sovereignty and human responsibility. We must accept both sides of the truth, though we may not understand how they correspond to one another. People are responsible for what they do with the gospel—or with whatever light they have (Rom. 2:1920), so that punishment is just if they reject the light. And those who reject do so voluntarily. Jesus lamented, “You are unwilling to come to Me, that you may have life” (John 5:40). He told unbelievers, “Unless you believe that I am [God], you shall die in your sins” (John 8:24). In John chapter 6, our Lord combined both divine sovereignty and human responsibility when He said, “All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out” (v. 37); “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him, may have eternal life” (v. 40); “No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him” (v. 44); “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life” (v. 47); and, “No one can come to Me, unless it has been granted him from the Father” (v. 65). How both of those two realities can be true simultaneously cannot be understood by the human mind—only by God.

Above all, we must not conclude that God is unjust because He chooses to bestow grace on some but not to everyone. God is never to be measured by what seems fair to human judgment. Are we so foolish as to assume that we who are fallen, sinful creatures have a higher standard of what is right than an unfallen and infinitely, eternally holy God? What kind of pride is that? In Psalm 50:21 God says, “You thought that I was just like you.” But God is not like us, nor can He be held to human standards. “‘My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways,’ declares the Lord. ‘For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts’” (Isa. 55:89). 

We step out of bounds when we conclude that anything God does isn’t fair. In Romans 11:33 the apostle writes, “Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became His counselor?” (Rom. 11:3334).

– John MacArthur, ‘God’s Absolute Sovereignty‘ 

Further Reading
The Sovereignty of God Is the Most Comforting Doctrine
Conversion: Its Source, Sign and Security
Steven Furtick Takes the Code Orange Revival Underground

 

THE PERSONAL PROMISE BIBLE MAKES GOD’S WORD ALL ABOUT YOU!

There are some things, some ideas, that one simply prays are satire. There are those creations of men that cause the Christian who loves God’s Word to cry out, “Please, let this be a joke!” The Personal Promise Bible is one of those things. 

 Personal Promise Bible from Watrous Media on Vimeo.

Sadly, though, this is not satire; this is not a joke. There are those seeker-driven pastors who have a frightening tendency to narcigete the biblical text. That is, they consistently misinterpret the text, reading themselves and their audience into a passage that is not about them. Now they finally have a Bible that does the hard work for them.
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The endorsements of this product should not surprise, as names such as Brian Houston of Hillsong Church and influential figure of the New Apostolic Reformation, Dutch Sheets, are found at the top of the list.

True Christians who have been saved by God’s grace, however, know that the Bible is not about them. The Bible is about God, His work in human history and, most importantly, it is about Jesus Christ. From Genesis to Revelation, our Lord and Savior is present as God shares with His children the story of redemption.

News of the Personal Promise Bible quickly brought to mind a rather appropriate sermon that was preached a little over a year ago by Matt Chandler at, ironically, Steven Furtick’s Code Orange Revival. Though there are reasons to be discerning of Chandler’s ministry, the irony cannot be ignored that this message was preached at an event that quite possibly boasted the greatest lineup of ‘narcigetes’ ever.


The Bible is not about you. Stop making it about you. And if you have to insert your name into the biblical text before you can find Bible study edifying, then you best step back and examine yourself to determine whether you truly are in the faith (2 Cor. 13:5).

The Bible is about Jesus. If that’s not good enough for you, if that doesn’t delight and rejoice you, if that doesn’t stir you to read the Word in order to learn more about Him, then stop calling yourself a Christian.

HT: Stand Up for the Truth

Further Reading
Discernment and Revelation
John Calvin on the Spirit and the Word
The Christian and Non-Christian Contrasted